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磅重量時的心理矛盾

樓主: boblam(Bob the BOdyBuilder!)( male) 2004/02/29 09:51:04 202.40.200.xxx
來自 其他
磅數 967.5磅
發文 389
註冊 2003/10/15
量級 重量級
★★★★


不知你有沒有經驗過~

站上磅時,
如果體重上升,就擔心是不是吃得太多,脂肪多了,胖了
如果體重不變,就擔心是不是練得不夠,沒有成果了
如果體重下降,就擔心是不是過度訓練,肌肉在分解了

這樣,無論體重是上升,下降還是不變,都會使人擔心而不是滿意;

結論,如無必要還是少些磅體重好了~

回應
1作者 minglung2003 (AGITO) ( male ) 2004/02/29 14:02:14 202.175.95.xxx
來自 港澳地區
磅數 498.6磅
發文 614
註冊 2003/4/10
量級 中量級
★★★

這樣要用可以測量體脂的電子磅好了
2作者 boblam (Bob the BOdyBuilder!) ( male ) 2004/02/29 17:46:28 202.40.200.xxx
來自 其他
磅數 967.5磅
發文 389
註冊 2003/10/15
量級 重量級
★★★★

那些電子磅應該是用BMI等等常用"標準體重"表來計算的,沒有理由從腳底
脂肪量來估計全身脂肪吧.練健美的人一定不是標準體重的了,可能站上電
子磅和普通磅分別不大~
3作者 minglung2003 (AGITO) ( male ) 2004/03/01 14:40:35 202.175.95.xxx
來自 港澳地區
磅數 498.6磅
發文 614
註冊 2003/4/10
量級 中量級
★★★

電子磅不是用腳底脂肪量來估計 , 是用電測量全身脂肪量 , 你只是用腳來站上去磅,但電會通往全身的,如果用腳站只是用腳底脂肪來量 , 那麼不是磅重時只可磅到腳的重量,而不是全身??
4作者 boblam (Bob the BOdyBuilder!) ( male ) 2004/03/01 20:19:32 202.40.202.xxx
來自 其他
磅數 967.5磅
發文 389
註冊 2003/10/15
量級 重量級
★★★★

很好奇是怎樣的原理,可不可以多說一點?
怎樣用電通往全身?是不是要腳先沾水才通電?
如果是用電通過全身,為什麼要輸入個人資料的?
我對電力原理不太了解,希望你多說一點兒大家分享~
贊助廣告        
 
5作者 boblam (Bob the BOdyBuilder!) ( male ) 2004/03/01 20:55:18 202.40.202.xxx
來自 其他
磅數 967.5磅
發文 389
註冊 2003/10/15
量級 重量級
★★★★

找了一些資料,原來是一種叫生物電阻分析法(BIA)的方法

http://www.slimming-methods.org/txtsrvwn.html
ANTHROPOMETRY, or
BODY  COMPOSITION  ASSESSMENT  METHODS.


Scientists and medical specialists for various reasons are interested in the percentages of types of soft tissue, adipose tissue, bone tissue, water, etc. in the composition of the body. A wide range of Body Composition Assessment Methods has been developed for these purposes. Among those are Electromagnetic Scanning (EMSCAN), the application of Ultrasound, the measurement of the natural gamma radiation of potassium (40K, Kalium) and others. Please consult the Overview in  30 ).
For the day to day medical practice a simpler, efficient method for fat% prediction is needed. The skin fold measurement with calipers is frequently used but experience is needed to interpret skin folds at different locations and to base a prediction for the fat%  in the body on the caliper readings.
Recently the Fat Impedance Method has become popular as an efficient tool in the medical practice.
 
The BIOELECTRIC  IMPEDANCE  ANALYSIS
for FAT%  PREDICTION.


Bioelectric Impedance Analysis, BIA is not a Fat Measurement Method in the strict sense. It is a fat% estimate based on an impedance measurement. The distinction is important because both parts cause different errors.
The impedance measurement (electrical resistance is a simple form of impedance; impedance includes the effects of non-conductive  areas like the cell lining, causing capacitive effects) measures a phase shift in an applied alternating current; its frequency can be some 50 kHz. The phase shift is caused by capacitive effects in body tissues. The amount of phase shift depends on the ratio of the fatfree mass (FFM containing body fluids with electrolytes) and the fat_containing_tissue. Fat containing tissue has a low conductivity, it does not contain water.
In this type of impedance measurement two causes of errors may occur.

  • The first is the great difference in skin resistance per person and even with one person in time. This can be overcome by applying the tetrapolar technique, a 4-pole measurement technique that enables the chip in the equipment to eliminate skin resistance from the measured impedance.
  • The second cause is the sequence of various body compositions from one hand through the arm, shoulder, trunk etc to the other hand, or from foot to hand or from foot to foot. The impedance measured is connected with a mix of compositions that is not necessarily equal to the composition of each region. Research is going on in so called "Regional Impedance Measurements".
When a patient suffers from fluid retention a more complex impedance configuration will result. Then multifrequency equipment with sufficiently spread frequencies so that phases differ significantly per applied frequency can present additional information about the body composition.
 
The FAT%  ESTIMATE.

Many research projects were set up to find the relation (correlation coefficient) between BIA_results and the fat%  figures found with anthropometry. From these projects we know that age, sex, height, stature, freqent physical training, pear/apple shape, pregnancy, are important parameters for the fat% / BIA-results correlation. It has resulted in the definition of fat%_BIA profile groups. For each group the fat percentages corresponding with measured Bioelectrical Impedance figures are known. Now it all comes down to finding the right profile group that matches the prospect to be measured.
 
BODY  FAT  MONITORS.

Inexpensive Tetrapolar (single frequency) Fat Monitors are available in two types:
  • The foot scale with four electrodes for heels and balls.
  • The handhold unit with four electrodes for the medial (thumb) and lateral (little finger) parts of the two hands.
The first monitor measures the impedance through legs and lower body. The second obviously measures through arms and upper body.
The choice for one or the other is mainly one for practical reasons.
The footscale has the advantage that it also measures weight. A disadvantage is that persons have to stand on the platform with nude feet (time consuming removal of boots and garments) what requires frequent antiseptic cleaning.
The handhold unit will be hold with bare hands reducing the hygienic aspect to the level of handshaking in a meeting or party.
For both instruments the risk of a false fat% prediction lies in the choice of the reference group.
Monitors have capacity for entering age, sex, stature (height), weight (for the handhold monitor). The memory in the monitor chip holds profiles for each of these combinations. This represents a limited choice from all profiles, so matches will be approximations.
If a wrong entry is used (f.i. male instead of female) the unlikely reading may alert you.
Age can be doubtful information. Depending on the person; the prediction of the monitor may be tried with 10 years added to or subtracted from the administrated age. No entry capacity is available for apple- or pear- shaped obese persons.
Some monitors are even labeled "not for athletes".
    An illustration of the way monitors can be fooled by choosing a wrong profile is found in the Electro Lipolysis treatment. In the Electro- lipolysis  page  is explained that fat is moved, re-placed, not burned by Electro Lipolysis.
    If the treated area is the lower belly, fat will disappear from the lower belly and spread all over the body. This implies that the client's fat distribution profile no longer fits. This can be seen with a Body Fat Monitor. The foot scale monitor will show a lower  fat percentage, as may be expected. The handhold monitor measuring impedance in the upper body is influenced by the additional spread fat and should indicate a higher  fat%. It does!
In the medical practice the emphasis is often on the relative  fat% indication for specific clients (change in relation to treatment) not on absolute  fat%. A frequent question to be answered is: "Does the weight reduction of a treated patient correspond with loss of fat, or loss of water or loss of muscle tissue?" By comparing the loss of weight with the Fat Monitor indication of fat% loss the question can often be answered.
In that situation Body Fat Monitors are very useful.
6作者 boblam (Bob the BOdyBuilder!) ( male ) 2004/03/01 21:31:36 202.40.202.xxx
來自 其他
磅數 967.5磅
發文 389
註冊 2003/10/15
量級 重量級
★★★★

Flash版BIA簡介 http://nutrition.uvm.edu/bodycomp/bia/

BIA是利用脂肪和肌肉的水份含量差別,以電阻來推測體脂比例.脂肪的電阻高,水份少;肌肉電阻低,水份多.由電阻求出身體水份含量,就可計算非脂肪體重;再由重量減非脂肪體重;求出脂肪比例.

但是身體水份多少很受日常活動影響,所以每次量也有些許誤差.

7作者 s812445 (衣索匹亞難民草∼) ( male ) 2004/03/10 02:14:51 203.187.99.xxx
來自 桃園縣
磅數 2065.2磅
發文 625
註冊 2003/9/3 上
量級 超重量級
★★★★★

boblam (Bob the BOdyBuilder!兄
你說的太專業∼∼有看沒有∼∼
但是你所說的**結論,如無必要還是少些磅體重好了**我也認同∼
少些磅數∼對身體負擔比較少(除非是非常瘦弱型就不須要少些磅數∼如:我)

8作者 eyewildshot (Fred) ( male ) 2005/03/29 12:07:53 218.171.66.xxx
來自 台中市
磅數 155.3磅
發文 269
註冊 2004/3/23
量級 輕量級
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我也有同感,若有體脂檢查的功能的話,就不會不知所措了
9作者 yeagrant (grant) ( male ) 2005/03/29 12:40:02 211.21.123.xxx
來自 新北市
磅數 190.2磅
發文 287
註冊 2003/3/1 上
量級 輕量級
★★

就算是有體脂檢查的功能
我也會 做完有氧後 在去量
感覺比較輕
10作者 carbo (不才小弟) ( male ) 2005/04/01 13:41:42 211.23.84.xxx
來自 台中縣
磅數 150.8磅
發文 159
註冊 2004/10/23
量級 輕量級
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同意Bob兄所說的"心理矛盾",量體重似乎不會有任何好的結果,很多練健美的都是高於BMI的"標準體重",我也已經過重了。
不過如果有頻繁的運動,有好的體能狀況,有良好的飲食與作息習慣,對我來說並不會太在意磅秤上的數字。

練健美與不增重似乎是矛盾的,訓練不足與訓練過度似乎也是很難拿捏的......
有人說千錘百鍊方成剛,那萬錘千鍊大概就成廢鐵了.........
這是我目前最大的"心理矛盾".........

11作者 ace72166 (小捷) ( male ) 2005/04/02 05:33:13 24.187.253.xxx
來自 北美洲
磅數 28.8磅
發文 23
註冊 2004/9/8 上
量級 蠅量級

我都沒在量體脂耶...
我都用腹肌的狀況來判斷

如果最近腹肌變的比較不明顯的話
那我就知道最近體脂有增加
那飲食當然要注意一點了
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